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ANoLEN 07-18-2011 02:04 PM

250 street bike engine, wtb
 
I'm looking to upgrade from the 6.5hp 196cc Subaru to a 250 engine from a honda/Kawasaki etc street bike engine. I've seen a lot of 650's and 750's but I think that's too much for my manco 606. Been looking on craigslist. Are there any tips that I might need to know? I'm not really experienced with fabricating but I know a little and I have my dad to help. But if you can think of any tips or advice I would much appreciate it! Thanks

metalstudman1 07-18-2011 11:42 PM

Take a look at: http://www.buggymasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1602 just to give you an idea- same principle for a standard chain drive.Most street bike engines won't allow the chain to go downward enough to get on the axle sprocket in a short space- so you either have to provide a jackshaft that moves the chain over to go down,chain roller/tensioner to redirect the chain downward(not what I'd do) or length in front of the axle sprocket by lengthening the swingarm. Looking at pics of that kart/buggy the rack or tube above the engine looks like it'll be in conflict with a taller engine too.You can save yourself some fab. time by finding an automatic clutch- I recall a few with some decent power, just a thought!

ANoLEN 07-19-2011 08:13 PM

Oh yeah I hadn't thought of that. But to me it would be worth some extra work for a manual clutch because it would be worth the fun of having a true manual. I was also considering a trike/four wheeler engine. They would probably be easier to find maintain but not as much power. it depends on what I can find mostly

metalstudman1 07-19-2011 10:39 PM

I have another piece I made that resolves the chain direction issue. I'll try to get a pic of it tomorrow, just for alternative ideas. I'm all for the ATV engine scenerio-You can have reverse!!!.You can go with air cooled so no radiator to configure.

ANoLEN 07-19-2011 10:45 PM

I know! I was thinking the same thing about that, so it would be more on my level of skill too. And cheaper. Hmm...

metalstudman1 07-20-2011 11:23 PM

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Here's another solution for the chain drive angle correction. Took the engine drive sprocket and welded it on a shaft that fits a pillow bearing, now you just add another sprocket on the shaft that will let the chain go anywhere, even go forward if needed that clears the motor in close quarters.

ANoLEN 07-20-2011 11:28 PM

Is that kinda like the jackstaff solution?

Edit: jackshaft*

metalstudman1 07-21-2011 12:14 AM

That's another type jackshaft needing only 1 bearing and only 1 chain (un-proven design)- normally you'd take a chain from the engine rearward to a jackshaft that has 2 sprockets on it- then you'd have a second chain from the jackshaft down to the axle sprocket with a bearing at both ends of the jackshaft.

ANoLEN 07-21-2011 04:09 PM

Oh gotchya. Well if I can find the motor I want, and afford it then it will definantly happen and I'll post a ton of pictures I'm sure

metalstudman1 07-21-2011 08:53 PM

Good luck-

mancovortex 07-22-2011 06:29 PM

i think the jack shaft is the best way the factory setup would work just take the belt drive off and replace it with a chain sprocket


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