I rolled it in the bottom of the canyon hitting some deep whoops to fast and it knocked the tire off the bead.
I had to ride it back out with the tire like that.
Honesty, if the Odysseys are too expensive, I would just wait & get a Pilot. There is no comparison between the two, the Pilot just does everything better. The prices have really fallen since I bought mine and I have seen a few pilot under 4k. Shop around and be willing to travel and you can get a deal.
Either way, you will get a great machine.