Carbide 7150 Transmisson TO Hammerhead Transmission Conversion

[SFORCES]

Well i got a 150cc Hammerhead transmission coming so i will be doing a swap out of the the Carbide 7150 Transmission to Hammerhead. i will be mating the transmission to the rest of the carbide engine.So i will probably will need help on what all i need to do. Should be getting it tomorrow sometime.Anyone know of any Video's on YouTube or anywhere else i can check out thanx.

[SYCARMS]

Don't understand what your doing. The 7150 uses the internal reverse transmission. It is part of the engine case. All you can change are the internal gearing. The 7150 uses the Hammerhead engine so all parts are the same in either engine since there both made by same company.

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

Don't understand what your doing. The 7150 uses the internal reverse transmission. It is part of the engine case. All you can change are the internal gearing. The 7150 uses the Hammerhead engine so all parts are the same in either engine since there both made by same company.

look at my other post:http://www.buggymasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4931

in the picture i posted it's missing all the parts from the internal transmission. so i got the whole gearbox from a HH 150 and swapping out the transmission from the 7150 and putting in the HH transmission and bolting it to the rest of the 7150 engine.

[SFORCES]

I'm on hold ordered a Flywheel puller got up to the point i needed to use it to split the rest of the case

[TheFauxFox]

So are you replacing the internal gearing AND adding an external box??

[SYCARMS]

I see you basically are replacing the gutted internals. How come you didn't order from ASW, there cheaper and it's the same engine since HH makes it.

[MASTERBATES]

he will be replacing the entire cvt casing.

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

I see you basically are replacing the gutted internals. How come you didn't order from ASW, there cheaper and it's the same engine since HH makes it.

Cause it would of been 350.00 for all the part's and i got the case cheaper.

[SFORCES]

I just notice that the 150cc transmission i got don't have the sprocket on it what size do i need to get?

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

I see you basically are replacing the gutted internals. How come you didn't order from ASW, there cheaper and it's the same engine since HH makes it.

The HH Transmission i got is a lot smaller then the one on the Carbide.

[bear]

I'm starting to get a little confused about this issue SFORCE could you please post some more pics?

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by bear

I'm starting to get a little confused about this issue SFORCE could you please post some more pics?

Sure here is a pic of the Carbide and HH transmission. the first picture is of the Carbide without the transmission. the 2nd is of the HH with The Transmission and Cvt. i'm going to take the HH transmission and cvt and bolt it on to the Carbide engine with the flywheel etc.

[MASTERBATES]

good god! that carbide trans is huge!

[SFORCES]

That's what i thought when i seen the HH Transmission i got from you.

[SYCARMS]

Those are 2 different engines. The first gen internal reverse HH transmissions are different then the second gen HH transmissions. The HH second gen trans with internal reverse is just like the Carbide trans used today. If you look under the CVT cover of the Carbide it will say Hammerhead in raised letters. The first Gen was a bolt on internal reverse the second gen was incorporated into the engine case. I don't see how you will make the first gen work in the second gen.

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

Those are 2 different engines. The first gen internal reverse HH transmissions are different then the second gen HH transmissions. The HH second gen trans with internal reverse is just like the Carbide trans used today. If you look under the CVT cover of the Carbide it will say Hammerhead in raised letters. The first Gen was a bolt on internal reverse the second gen was incorporated into the engine case. I don't see how you will make the first gen work in the second gen.

Was told it shouldn't be a problem so i won't be able to do it then?

[MASTERBATES]

all that should matter is in the crankcase area where they split. . from there back will be different yes. if you could post a picture of above and underneath your carbide engine.

[MASTERBATES]

if is comes down to it, i have located the other side of the engine case. it also has ports for an oil cooler

[SYCARMS]

Other things to consider are how the engines mount, will you need to fabricate and will the sprocket line up with the axle sprocket. Also I don't remember if the 1st gen used 1 or 2 shift cables, but from the looks of the pictures the cable/cables route differently.

[bear]

Those 2 engines are like apples, and oranges! I'm familiar with what Tom is talking about, we had the same issue with my buddy's carbide trans, we where told the HH trans. gears would work, but we had to make sure we got the "right" set! we ended up finding as set of original carbide gears!

[SFORCES]

Yeah it's not going to work oh well guess i'll start saving up the 350.00 to do it right spend 110.00 on this and went down the drain and tore the engine down for nothing.

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by MASTERBATES

if is comes down to it, i have located the other side of the engine case. it also has ports for an oil cooler

how much is that going to be?

[MASTERBATES]

nothing. i will ship it to you

[bear]

Sforce go ahead & list what you've got to sale maybe you can recoup some $ that way???

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by MASTERBATES

nothing. i will ship it to you

Thanx i Really appreciate it.

[MASTERBATES]

i have it boxed and ready to ship witg a couple extra goodies i think you will appericiate as well!

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by MASTERBATES

i have it boxed and ready to ship witg a couple extra goodies i think you will appericiate as well!

AWESOME again Thanx ALot

[SFORCES]

unfortunate those other partswon't do me no good either. were the timing chain goes on the carbide will not fit on the HH 150cc transmission there cast different. in pic 1 and 2 of the carbide there is a plate that come's off to hook up the timing etc. in pic 3 of the HH 150cc transmission dose not have this.

[SYCARMS]

The old style HH engines used a different crank shaft as the new style engine. Your ASW buggy uses the new style case with a different crankshaft. I'm thinking the HH engine you have was out of the GT200 which was different then the engine uses in the GT150 buggy.

[bear]

Sorry to here that SFORCE! keep trying & everybody will keep helping!

[SYCARMS]

The timing chain should still work since both engines use the same chain, cylinder, head ect. The main difference is the back half of case and crank used. The ASW/ new HH engine uses the internal reverse, the older HH engines using the scooter GY6 had an external reverse except for the GT200 which used a bolt on internal reverse. The new HH?ASW cases are also deeper on the CVT side which is where the crank change comes in. The only differences in the new style and old style cranks is (new compared to old) smaller bearing on left side however the shaft diameter is the same so bearings can be swapped, the beveled boss used on old style cranks for the kickstart gear has been cut back 1/2" removing taper. Due to cutting taper back the variator will set 1/2" further back then old style GY6 and requires a longer spline on tip of crank. So I see no way to combine an old style with new style case. Also even if this could be done chances are 99% that the rear sprockets would not line up then there is always the problem of rear mount lining up. Since you got the buggy for nothing the $350 for correct transmission parts is not bad at all for you will have a 2000.00 buggy (new) that only cost you 350.00. Still a hell of a deal. Last but not least the new style engines have a much better gearing in the transmission for as compared to an older stock GY6 with top speed 32mph, these will just about reach 40mph. So with the exception of not being able to use the stroked crank's out there, the engine is a better engine out of the box. Even if you have to re ring the engine you will come out much cheaper to just order the parts and fix the current engine.

[SFORCES]

Yeah i guess your right i'll just save up the 350.00 to do it right. I thought paying the 110.00 seam littler cheaper that's what i get trying to save money.

[SYCARMS]

There are several different variants of this motor and only 2 are in use today. Many have not been manufactured in several years and parts are near if not impossible to find. Many are new to this and think that all GY6 engines are the same. If you can e-mail all your part numbers that are needed to me I can see if I can do it any cheaper.

[SFORCES]

I pm and emailed you the part list let me know what yeah find out.

[SFORCES]

If anyone want to buy the 150cc Transmission i got that won't work for me let me know.

[SYCARMS]

Check your PM, sent prices.

[SFORCES]

What would be good to use to clean the engine case up with. also is there any special gasket kit i need to get or can i use perm gray gasket stuff? will put her back together and wait on the parts when i can order them.

[SYCARMS]

If you have split the case halves you will need the gasket. The right case could be done without gasket but I would use Right Stuff by Permatex. Everything else you can use the gray Permatex. Now if you still have the old gasket on case and it is broken you can use the gray to repair the seal. To clean case just soak in ant degreaser or diesel fuel. If using the purple stuff keep in mind that it will discolor and etch the aluminum if soaked for too long.

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

If you have split the case halves you will need the gasket. The right case could be done without gasket but I would use Right Stuff by Permatex. Everything else you can use the gray Permatex. Now if you still have the old gasket on case and it is broken you can use the gray to repair the seal. To clean case just soak in ant degreaser or diesel fuel. If using the purple stuff keep in mind that it will discolor and etch the aluminum if soaked for too long.

Yeah i did split the case had to cause i was told that HH transmission i bought would bolt up to it but as you know it doesn't.

[SFORCES]

anyone have pics or video of putting a carbide 150cc engine back to together don't remember how it goes back together.

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by SFORCES

anyone have pics or video of putting a carbide 150cc engine back to together don't remember how it goes back together.

http://www.amsportworks.com/pdfs/gok...ng_14568R6.pdf
This is the best I can do for you. Hope it helps unless you already have it.

[bear]

Have you checked youtube, or maybe a kid-n-me tutorial video?

[SYCARMS]

The ASW manual is the most complete manual with clear illustrations out there. Great manual to download or copy.

[SFORCES]

OK I'll have to take a look at it. have a couple bolts and some other stuff i couldn't figure were they went :0)

[SFORCES]

Well i put it back together and now i tried turning the motor over by hand and it won't move something is jammed or something going on i'm done i'm not messing with this anymore.

[bear]

Well hopefully you've had a chance to cool down since last night. I'd take the valve cover off and see if the cam chain is in a bind, it happened to me the first time I put mine back together!

[SYCARMS]

The first time is always a learning experience. Count your blessings that the problem is noticed before running the engine. All you have to do now is find the problem and correct it. Refer to the shop manual it's your best friend.

[wildbob]

also, wont hand crank with the spark plug in

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

The first time is always a learning experience. Count your blessings that the problem is noticed before running the engine. All you have to do now is find the problem and correct it. Refer to the shop manual it's your best friend.

Shop manual?

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by wildbob

also, wont hand crank with the spark plug in

Yep i knew that i tried turning the flywheel and it wouldn't budge

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by bear

Well hopefully you've had a chance to cool down since last night. I'd take the valve cover off and see if the cam chain is in a bind, it happened to me the first time I put mine back together!

Notice there is 2 row's of teeth on both side's of the crankshaft does the chain go on the top or bottom row?

[SYCARMS]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

The ASW manual is the most complete manual with clear illustrations out there. Great manual to download or copy.

Yes shop manual

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

Yes shop manual

were can i download it at?

[SYCARMS]

http://www.amsportworks.com/pdfs/gok...ng_14568R6.pdf
2slicknick posted the link on 5/17

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

http://www.amsportworks.com/pdfs/gok...ng_14568R6.pdf
2slicknick posted the link on 5/17

oh ok i thought it was a different beg my pared

[SYCARMS]

What?????????????

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by SFORCES

oh ok i thought it was a different beg my pared

[SFORCES]

Originally Posted by SYCARMS

What?????????????

I thought it was a different manual. Just a little saying i say beg my pardon

[SYCARMS]

Now remember some of us are old farts who don't text and probably never will.lol

[SFORCES]

Would anyone have a spare M150-1003022 - Cam Chain Tensioner Pivot screw need one?