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06-01-2011, 05:22 PM
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can any help
hello i have a yerf-dog 3202 can some one help me with stering.my problem is that my tires are camberd in ward and when i turn the stering wheel my tires hit the frame. im confused big time i have tryed everthing i can think of
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#2
06-01-2011, 07:18 PM
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Need pics to help
It would be much easier if thier were pics
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#4
06-01-2011, 08:35 PM
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Without seeing your kart I can tell you that your shocks are wore out! The stock shocks were only designed for about 160lbs worth of passengers.
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#9
06-02-2011, 09:50 PM
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great job on the pics. What kind of buggy is that? (brand)
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#10
06-03-2011, 12:04 AM
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I can see it's a Yerfdog #3202. Good amount of close-up pics!!! Try and get someone to shot a pic with you sitting in it & one without you in it. Can't really tell what's going on without seeing the front stance with both front tires in the pic at the same time. Need to see the droop!!! Shock replacement is all about finding something close to the same length. Depending on how far it sags I may be able to suggest a very cheap shock alternative.
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#11
06-03-2011, 08:14 AM
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It appears that the left tierod is bent which will make a toe in adjustment impossible. Toe in should be about 14" in. Post a pic of the whole front end with steering wheel centered. I believe it to be grosely toed out which will not only cause hard steering but your problem as well.
TOM |
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#14
06-04-2011, 11:14 PM
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I just looked at your pics again and a few things show up- adjust your shocks to the stiffest position. Also I see where the passenger A-arm has been hitting the frame and put small dents in them. Next you need to do a little corrective adjustments to the steering arms,(have someone near your weight or put weight in the seat) on the passenger side lenghten the steering arm by about a 1/2" then align the passenger tire with the frame and then adjust the drivers side tire. This will help with the passenger tire rubbing the frame and the turning radius. When your sitting in the kart (after the shock adjustment) the A-arms should still be pointed downward to the tires. If the A-arms are level or pointing upwards the shocks aren't stiff enough.
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#16
06-05-2011, 06:38 PM
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Which part is confusing you?
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#18
06-05-2011, 08:54 PM
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Patience!!! We'll get you going, You still need to post the pic's of the whole front-end at one time. Those pictures will tell us most everything that we need to make the correct suggestions. Get pics like I asked for in post #10
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#21
06-06-2011, 10:06 PM
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Thanx!!! Couldn't tell if you'd adjusted the shocks yet ( use a pair of channel locks to turn the adjuster) but the front end doesn't look too bad. Now for the part that confused you!!! Put your friend in the seat for this: Align the drivers side tire with the cockpit frame rail (outside tube on the floor) To do this easy just find a small pipe/straight edge about 4' long and put it beside the frame rail to get the inside of the tire parallel. Now go to the passenger side, loosen the 2 jam nuts against the female heims on the steering arms. Turn the arm to get that tire lined up with the frame rail same as you did on the drivers side. A small amount of inward/toe in is okay.Now I want you to stand on the frontend and bounce!!! pay attention to the movement of the tires. If the tires toe in too far or toe out too much you can make adjustments to get somewhere in the middle thru the suspension travel. Just so you know -the trait of of a single A-arm is toe in and toe out as they travel up and down, where as a double A-arm tends to camber in and out versus toe in/toe out
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#24
06-07-2011, 09:26 PM
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I don't see enough bend or camber to be causing serious problems. Is it possible your expectations of a single A-arms frontend is unrealistic? Is the only issue that the tires rub?
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#26
06-08-2011, 03:22 PM
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Yerf dogs always need a cornfield to turn around in. Just the way they were designed. As far as rubbing I have the spiderbox and my tires don't rub but your front tires look wider than mine do but that just may be the picture. Also from the first set of pics your left tierod looks bent and one control arm looks a bit twisted, but only you can tell for sure by observing and comparing side to side to see if one or the other is twisted. If the tie rod is bowed then your wheels will be pitched (toed out) and this can cause rubbing but again only you for sure can tell if their bent. Tierods must be strait. But the large turning radious if the norm for thre yerf dog, this is why I could never understand what people saw in them. Besides the turn radious the ride is something else. If when you bought it you had all your teeth you will probably need a full set of dentures in 5 years. But that is one opinion for it seems the people who own them love them and I never could see why. Just look over the front end really good and if a tierod is bent or control arm twisted then I would purchase new ones. Buggy depot is the place for yerf dog parts.
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#30
06-08-2011, 09:59 PM
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with go-kart steering about the only thing you can do: on the spindle where the tie rod attaches (steering arm) drill a hole closer to the spindle, moving the connection closer to the pivot point will make for more turning (try 1" to start with), You may have to lengthen the steering column to get the steering arms re-aligned. Does this make sense? Do you have access to a welder? If so- you could reangle the steering arms-which is the preference to really get some turning radius. If you can't find a narrower tire then extending the spindles would be needed- you'd need a welder for this too. I've owned several of this model Yerfdog and had to make small changes to the frontend same as I just suggested to get it to turn in our tight trails- Didn't keep them long because the steering geometry changes so much during shock travel it wasn't managable for my kids and their guests. Good luck on whatever you decide to do-We're still here to help
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#31
06-08-2011, 10:37 PM
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Your tires really look wide on the front, maybe it just seems that way in the pic. My spider box has 15X6.00-8 front tires. You may have oversize tires on the front and this could be why their hitting the frame. You might also try reversing the rims on the rear, this may work depending on the offset of the wheel. If too deep of an offset then the tire will hit the frame. If this can be done you will decrease a bit of the turn radious for it will eliminate some of the push on the front tires due to the solid rear axle. However you will sacrifice some stability making the buggy easier to tip.
TOM |
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#32
06-10-2011, 07:15 PM
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Hate to but in. But if you have a really close look at the lower controll arms you will notice that they may be on the wrong side. If some one has had the front end apart you could easily put those lower controll arms back on on the wrong side. Have a close look at them. The spindle bracket is welded to the controll arm back of centre on both controll arms.Also the controll arms appear to be angled back to ward the frame. If you pull the spindles out and swap around the lower controll arms I bet you will have a ton of room between the wheels and the frame. Also the shocks will sit at a better angle giving you a better ride. Thats what I see looking at those pictures. Later
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#33
06-10-2011, 07:25 PM
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PS
Look at those shocks again. They are pointing backwards.Won't do much for your ride that way. In my way of thinking they should be straight or angled slighty ahead for better shock absorption and handleing.Just a Canucks opinion. Later |
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#34
06-10-2011, 07:35 PM
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mfg supply
Has brand new shock mounting bracketts you weld on, same as you have but with 3 holes like the stock 3203, for the yerf dog 3203 with 3 holes to adjust toe in thes would help you. also i se your tie rod looks like a dogs back leg.
 may help youalso ypu can "slightly" notch the spindles or the 45 degree angle on the a arm frame so the spindle overtravels and does not bottom out against the welded in piece on the a arm. Last edited by gunluvinfull; 06-10-2011 at 07:56 PM. |
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#35
06-10-2011, 09:33 PM
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POGO-"But if you have a really close look at the lower controll arms you will notice that they may be on the wrong side."
Unfortunately if you reverse the control arms that would put the shock bracket on the front side, shocks are mounted on the rear of the A-arm.-I agree the spindles could be on the wrong side, If I remember for ours there was a small difference between them. |
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#36
06-11-2011, 02:19 PM
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bobby i have a 3202 yerf that i ride same problem this kart is not made for a 220lb adult
i've found that harley springs are 12"- 13" and are alot stiffer you can find them on cl all the time for 50 bucks. this will help alot |
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#37
06-11-2011, 07:49 PM
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I am thinkin now"for a change" LOL but what about skinner tires and longer spindles, spaced out farther on the spindle? Just trying to help.
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#39
06-13-2011, 12:19 AM
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Medalstudman 1
Yea the brackets would be on the front.But if you look at the way they are mounted now the shocks appear to be tilted back. If you swing the A arms around I think there would be lots of room to mount the shocks and they would be tilted forward in a much better position. Hard to really tell though unless you are actually looking at the machins in person. I think fixing the front end thats on there now is a lot easier than trying to swing it over to a lawn mower front end. Too many alignment a stance problems as well as spindle and bearing that were made to go at not much more than walking speed.Later |
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#41
06-14-2011, 09:54 AM
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Yerf 3202
Hi Bobby28,
My kids have same kart and I just replaced a broken spindle, so here are some suggestions. Yerf must have changed design over years, because ours is very different. Our spindles are stepped and a-arms are different. Ours have 3 holes to select from when mounting shock to a-arm, to allow for camber adjustment, yours dosn't. Anyway here are some thoughts: 1. Your camber really looks OK to me, but because of the single a-arm design, will likely change a lot dependant on weight in cart. Only way to easily change that without the multiple mounting holes is to adjust the shocks. I think you would need to juryrig a spring compressor to unload the spring to rotate the adjuster (I've never done it so cannot tell you how). That's all I can offer you on the camber. It truly looks fine to me and will effect tire wear, but not make the tire hit the frame. 2. The a-arm should not be able to be pushed back at all toward the frame if you push the tire back to the frame. If yours does you need to tighten up the two long bolts where the a arms attach to the frame at the front center of the cart. It should be loose enough to pivit up and down, without any front to back movement towards the frame. The design on ours puts the tires within a 1/2 inch of the frame when steering is fully turned. 3. Our tires are pushed out just a tiny bit further than yours. Your spindle has 1 washer, a spacer, another washer and then the tire/rim. Ours has 2 washers, a spacer, the tire/rim a washer and then the nylon lock nut. That will clear frame a bit more. It's also a lousy design as the nut literally comes out to the last thread on the spindle - a very scary design. We bought it used, so that's how ours is to just clear the frame. Not sue if that's how it left factory, but wheels have not fallen off in 4 years - so guess it's OK. 4. As mentioned by another member - your tire rod is bent. You might want to take it off and hammer straight. Should do, but not likely causing any issues. Our tie rods are mounted to the spindles from the top, not the bottom like yours. Likely just a difference in the spindle design change, but thought I'd mention it. Also be sure to adjust tie rods to even out turning to both sides, although I assume you have already done that. 5. Lastly tire size on ours is 15 x 6.00 x 6. Might want to check that as if someone put tires too big on your it will definately hit frame as the design will put the tire very close to frame. Hope that helps some. |
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#42
06-14-2011, 10:36 AM
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3 Hole shock mount
One other quick thought - If you really want to be able to change the camber angle easily and can weld, BMI Karts does sell the 3 hole shock mount. They are good people for Yerf dog parts, but thier shipping is a bit high for single items. They also sell lots on ebay.
Heres a link: http://www.*************/item/Shock-M...ts-010012-5940 here's what it looks like on the a arm http://www.*************/item/Right-A...-Go-Karts-5380 |
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#43
06-14-2011, 10:44 AM
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Yerf dog
Also thinking your explanationation of your problem may be confusing, You are talking about a camber issue. Your camber looks good from the pics. You have a toe in issue and that should be correctable by straightening out the tie rod and adjusting the tie rods. Guess I should read other posts better before replying.
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#46
06-20-2011, 06:02 PM
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What model Yerf do you need A-arm dimension from? Just for reference here's a pic of one of ours a few years back with the front end set-up for about 160lbs worth of riders(2 kids) Notice how wide your tires are in comparison.
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#48
06-21-2011, 05:06 PM
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It's actually a 3203, the difference in it to the 3202 is color. Slop in the spindles isn't normal or in the A-arms.There was about 6 or 7 models of this style Yerfdog made- they all used the same cockpit,front suspension,steering and rear axle. The seat and rollcage was the main change and of course color.
Jump- gave you the link to where you can get replacement parts-BMI New A-arms and spindle bolts should cure the slop in both, also provide a corrected alignment for the camber and caster issues. If you can't straighten the drivers tie-rod arm then replacement might be necessary. |
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#49
06-22-2011, 10:44 AM
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A-Arm
Hi Bobby,
I went to measure the a-arm length and its hard to measure on the kart and enough different than your setup that I think giving you a number will add more confusion than help you. Your spindle brackets are welded 90 deg to the a arm and ours are angled, so top measurement will differ from bottom measurement and likely not help you. Here are a couple bits of info that may help you. If you stand in front of the cart and point the wheels straight, the curved end of the a-arm (not including welded spindle bracket) lines up even with cart frame by eyeball. The inside edge of the tire sits out about 1.7" from the cart frame if you drew parallel lines and measured them. When I eyeball your pics that looks about where you are. Your tie rods definately need adjusting like MetalStudman said. Also like was mentioned earlier these carts have a very wide turn radius. Ours will not make a u turn around on our side road witout having to go on a curb. These carts only have single a arms and wheel angle is all over the place dependant on weight in cart. There might be something wrong with yours, or it might be just what this cart is - it's a fun kart, but a budget design that does not have the precision steering that a double a-arm desigh would give you. Since there are always some for sale on craigslist, you might want to have a look at another one for sale, to see what it turns like, before you start replacing a-arms and spindles and putting more money into it. Yours might be worn or may just be what it is. I saw a wear mark in the paint on the corner of the frame on yours from the tire in your pics. Ours doesn't hit there if I turn the wheel, but has the same wear mark, so must ocasionally hit in use. I also checked ours and there is also no play between spindle bracket and spindle. Hope that helps some. |
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06-22-2011, 11:15 AM
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Yerf Dog
Hi Bobby,
One other inexpensive thought. Have you checked that wheel bearings are not totally shot? If they were they could potentially add lots of front end play. If you need new ones these are less than $10 for the set of 4 shipped and will likely fit your cart - naturally check yours first to see if these would fit. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-GO-...Q5fCarQ5fParts |
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#52
06-23-2011, 04:00 PM
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nuttin like a free toy eh?
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#54
06-24-2011, 02:21 PM
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now that there's funny
kinda like findin free stuff myself never got a go cart tho. LOL
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#55
06-24-2011, 02:22 PM
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once lifted a whole murray 16hp tractor into the trunk of my cavalier half of it hangin out and got er home.
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#58
07-01-2011, 07:25 PM
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I'll comment POGO-
 You read my mind and put it in print.
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#60
07-02-2011, 03:31 PM
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When we run across sh%$t like that in our neck of the woods we just take advantage of the castle doctorine laws and eliminate the scum. Not even worthy enough to put in a wheel chair for the rest of their life for potters field is a lot cheaper then disability, welfare and food stamps.
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#61
07-02-2011, 09:58 PM
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I agree Tom. But people like that seldom seem to get caught or get what they deserve. I am now finished talking about the jerks. Just to change the tone,all you folks south of our border have a great weekend ok. We just had ours. Later
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#62
07-02-2011, 10:18 PM
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Shall do, this will be the second weekend of celebration. Last weekend was the Buggy Bash and what a bash. You might want to considder trying to make it next year. It's usually the end of June, we would love to have some North of the border fellow buggy nuts.
TOM |
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