What do you guys think?

[2SlickNick]

http://wheeling.craigslist.org/sno/4305375060.html
About 15 minutes from me and I have been watching this for a 2 weeks now. He just dropped it from 1000$ to now $800

It is a single seater, but off brand. What do you guys think???

[2SlickNick]

http://www.a.alpha-sports.com/Sidewinder_150.htm
NO reverse.. boo.

[zman007007]

wonder what name brand the engine is? a lot more pics would help before I got too excited. it does look good tho

[2SlickNick]

http://www.alpha-sports.com/alphasports_parts_bu.htm
They seem to carry the cross fire line up too. hmmmmm

[2SlickNick]

I read on BN that is an early relative of tomberlin

[2SlickNick]

Second thought maybe I should pass. And just wait till I find one heck of a deal I can't turn down.

[Johnny 5]

Offer the guy 500bucks and a 12 pack of beer.

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by Johnny 5

Offer the guy 500bucks and a 12 pack of beer.

I should. If anything happens I will let you guys know.

[TheFauxFox]

Originally Posted by Johnny 5

Offer the guy 500bucks and a 12 pack of beer.

Yeah... I was gonna say the same, minus the 12 pack...LOL

I think it's a good buggy, but talk about a WIDE OPEN SIDE if you roll that thing (with it being so skinny) it would do almost nothing to protect you. Although I think it's quite cool, and for once if you buy it, you'll have a buggy you don't have to diagnose!

Anywho, I'd go for it and try to get $500...

[Masteryota]

Originally Posted by TheFauxFox

Yeah... I was gonna say the same, minus the 12 pack...LOL

I think it's a good buggy, but talk about a WIDE OPEN SIDE if you roll that thing (with it being so skinny) it would do almost nothing to protect you. Although I think it's quite cool, and for once if you buy it, you'll have a buggy you don't have to diagnose!

Anywho, I'd go for it and try to get $500...

Pretty simple solution there, 5 point harness. You guys should good belts in anything you take off road, and a helmet. X-bird wears a cowboy collar in his, which is never a bad idea considering the terrain he crosses.

[TheFauxFox]

yota, I'm looking at it like if you roll, a 5 point doesn't stop ur head from swinging around, and I know that's why we wear a helmet and all, but you roll cage holding ur head/helmet in (I think) is better than your head swinging out to the side and whacking the ground...

[Johnny 5]

You can weld a side bar on both sides to reinforce the cage and keep you head in place. As for seat belts and helmets we put 4 point cam lock belts on both our buggies and always wear a helmet. All it takes is a ball joint to break or a steering rod to break and you could flip.

That buggy would be fast with a big bore ported stroker in it. And you could flip the rear wheels to get a wider stance in the back, probably wont work in the front due to the valve stems hitting the calipers.

[TheFauxFox]

Johnny, that's what I was thinking, just weld a bar. Of course for me, I can't do any welding on my kart :sad:

Hey! As you have cams, what's the diff. between cam lock and regular 4-5 pointers?

[Masteryota]

Originally Posted by TheFauxFox

yota, I'm looking at it like if you roll, a 5 point doesn't stop ur head from swinging around, and I know that's why we wear a helmet and all, but you roll cage holding ur head/helmet in (I think) is better than your head swinging out to the side and whacking the ground...

I have to politely disagree.

In all my years riding and playing on toys, I know I would rather have my head moving and possibly hitting dirt rather than being slung into a welded piece of steel, that has zero give. If you are that concerned with head movement and possible injuries, then wear one of these, or these, or stay home.

Also, on helmets, make sure you are wearing AT LEAST a DOT approved full face or 3/4 helmet and eye protection. A SNELL approved helmet is better, but DOT impact certification should not be looked past. These provide the impact cushion needed to prevent damage to your skull, including concussions, brain damge and death.

The most important thing is a PROPERLY INSTALLED AND TIGHTENED HARNESS. I personally like the 5 point variety due to the anti-submarine belt, which keeps you in the seat, and keeps the belt where it needs to be.

[TheFauxFox]

Originally Posted by Masteryota

I have to politely disagree.

In all my years riding and playing on toys, I know I would rather have my head moving and possibly hitting dirt rather than being slung into a welded piece of steel, that has zero give. If you are that concerned with head movement and possible injuries, then wear one of these, or these, or stay home.

Also, on helmets, make sure you are wearing AT LEAST a DOT approved full face or 3/4 helmet and eye protection. A SNELL approved helmet is better, but DOT impact certification should not be looked past. These provide the impact cushion needed to prevent damage to your skull, including concussions, brain damge and death.

The most important thing is a PROPERLY INSTALLED AND TIGHTENED HARNESS. I personally like the 5 point variety due to the anti-submarine belt, which keeps you in the seat, and keeps the belt where it needs to be.

Yea...when you really do think about it...I agree. Nvm about the side bar. LOL. dirt is kinda better to hit. LOL I forgot about those neck braces. I think that I might pick one up when I actually get riding (still waiting for someone to say they need a babysitter around here ). I have a DOT helmet because my parents made me get it for my electric scooter (cuz it goes faster than 20) and I never use it. I just use my nice Bell Faction helmet. LOL. And trust me, that 1/2 face DOT helmet makes me look like a fool. I tell ya, I think I'll just save my Points2Shop cash (why did buggy masters delete my thread about this?) to get an actual bmx helm. But until then... Oh...I do believe we have hijacked this thread. LOL woopsie I'll be on my way now...

[x-bird]

It doesn't have to be rough for the neck brace to help. After track days I'd drive home in a lot of neck pain from the weight of the helmet and all the cornering Gs. Only found out a little more than a year ago that i have arthritis from the base of my noggin to mid spine. Wish i could afford a HANS, but the horsecollar is a must have nowadays even for lapping around the house while testing. Somedays i break the rules and ride without a lid while testing, but that just comes down to how much or little advil i have in me at the time.

BTW, could have sworn that i posted saying i didn't like the looks of this particular ride based on the cage/frame construction, looks as weak as my '03 in stock former--or even worse.

[Johnny 5]

Yeah a side bar to the head would suck, maybe put a side bar below the shoulder. The neck brace is a good idea because when we ride my neck hurts for the first day until we get used to the helmet.

[2SlickNick]

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/sno/4346526334.html
Now I came across a 2nd one an hour away. Sheesh.

[TheFauxFox]

Originally Posted by 2SlickNick

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/sno/4346526334.html
Now I came across a 2nd one an hour away. Sheesh.

Wow...If I had the cash I would pounce on that...

Then again, I'm sure anybody here would

[Masteryota]

That first alpha seems to be sold. The last one seems more realistic on the price, but with no reverse, that might be a deal breaker. I would keep to design that is more common than that, like crossfires and such, that way you can still get some parts without headaches.

[bear]

Just a note about head support and something I,ve been thinking about as another one of my "redneck" engineering projects. How about two straps coming down from the top of the roll bars on each side(note my buggys are singles)& two snap rings mounted on the side of my helmet to keep it from swinging around to much and it could possibly support the helmet weight a bit!? any thoughts?

[TheFauxFox]

Originally Posted by bear

Just a note about head support and something I,ve been thinking about as another one of my "redneck" engineering projects. How about two straps coming down from the top of the roll bars on each side(note my buggys are singles)& two snap rings mounted on the side of my helmet to keep it from swinging around to much and it could possibly support the helmet weight a bit!? any thoughts?

Interesting thought, but if you follow through make sure it is bungee! I've been thinking about this for a few months now, and it think it's a neat idea, but if you just have some regular nylon or cotton rope, and you roll, you're body/neck might shift to the side, but your helmet might not, I can picture many a neck injuries coming from that...

But I think if it were bungee it would work out.

[Masteryota]

Me, personally, I don't like the idea of anything on the frame holding my head. The HANS device or the collar support keeps you and your head moving along the same plane. If, some freak accident, like a seat belt failing, and something is holding your head to something else, that can be way worse than fatigue or whiplash.

There are several reasons why that type of device is not being used by the racers, and the ones being used currently, are the way to go.

Now, addressing helmet weight. I know from years of riding street bikes, that helmet weight and neck fatigue makes the difference between a great ride, and misery. About a year ago, I decided to upgrade from an HJC to a SHOEI, and boy what a difference. I went from dreading a ride over 20 minutes, to looking for reasons to ride. Now, for random knowledge, HJC and SHOEI are the same brands, except one is considered entry level, and the other a much higher quality for serious riders and racers.

Considering the above, you may want to look at different helmets as well, I know I will be looking at some off road SHOEI's before long.

[bear]

Good points, thanks guys!

[2SlickNick]

http://morgantown.craigslist.org/sno/4375580613.html
Too bad this is 4 hours away.

[Johnny 5]

300bucks what a deal!!! just spare parts alone would be sweet!

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by Johnny 5

300bucks what a deal!!! just spare parts alone would be sweet!

True. I just can't bring myself to make that drive.

[Johnny 5]

Yeah some times the pics look better than what you get in person.

[2SlickNick]

ohh so true.

[TheFauxFox]

Well, both of them were just deleted so I guess they're sold...

Except for the Winchester HH...wow that thing is either completely rusted out where the pictures don't show, or the seller is insane.

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by TheFauxFox

Well, both of them were just deleted so I guess they're sold...

Except for the Winchester HH...wow that thing is either completely rusted out where the pictures don't show, or the seller is insane.

I t is a project. like what I need to start from frame up.

[TheFauxFox]

Ah...so it really is a "here's some metal now get it away from me" kinda thing...

[bear]

Fox man if you find something that interests you, dont hesitated to check it out! I looked for 9mos. to find mine, then after working all day drove straight from jobsite on a 4.5/hr drive each way to get mine and though they are being a PITA! right now, it was definitly worth it for the fun Ive had with them!!!

[2SlickNick]

I don't plan on buying this, just thought it was a good buggy. To bad the price is so steep.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/sno/4391295369.html

[Masteryota]

Originally Posted by 2SlickNick

I don't plan on buying this, just thought it was a good buggy. To bad the price is so steep.
http://columbus.craigslist.org/sno/4391295369.html

Although that looks like a decent deal, stay away from the 175cc engine. It is a bastard engine that was used only for a few years and is really hard to find parts for. The engine does not cross over to much of anything. Ask jerseydevil about his 175cc, and he should agree, unless he found something we didn't.

[bear]

Yea I seen that listing this weekend to Nick, but I too think its a little steep priced! there is a guy in Dayton, Ohio that has a 175 & 250 single he wants to sale, but he's asking $1500 for the 175 & $2000 for the 250!!! I may be a cheap but that seems a bit pricey!!!

[JERSEYDEVIL]

i have both a sidewinder and a 175 engine. i had planned on mating the two but it looks like i'm giving the 175 w/ my crossfire 250 swingarm to a good friend who wants to hop up a baja dune 150 i found him( probably another build thread coming). it'll basically get all the parts i took from the now crosshammer. he does all my computer work for about nothing and cost on parts so i figured i'd return the favor. plus he just offered to update and host my website w/ hopefully a forum and chat feature which would be cool, so whatever i can do to help him get addicted, why not.

the sidewinder has pro's and cons, i plan on doing something w/ the chassis, probably a custom build to flip.
the pro's- super lite, howhit engine (at least mine was), the familiar yerf style swingarm, axle& hubs, front and rear brakes. reverse would be easy to add.
the cons - 1" frame and chassis..... 1 flip and it's tweaked. the familiar yerf swingarm, axle & hubs. no reverse. cage is narrow. stance is narrow.

the dazon raider is a much stouter buggy. the 175 engine as mike said is tough to find parts for. it is a clone of the honda CH series engines that was found in there ELITE scooters as the CN was in the HELIX.
the CH"s came in honda form as an 80,125,175 & 250. the parts are not interchangable w/ the cn, except for the thermostat housing, although they look similar. i did find that the output shafts for 150's do work as i used a yerf shaft on the BABY HUEY yerf i built. this would lead me to beleive the adding a 150 reverse box would work. i do plan on finding this out in the near future. as an engine it is a screamer and hauls butt. definitely and upgrade from a 150, and not much slower than a 250 if it is infact slower. speeds of mid 40's are obtained w/ confidence.
opening clip in this video is the yerf w/ the dazon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edvddIS_2JQ

[2SlickNick]

Great info guys! I would love to have a 250 single seater or a Polaris sportsman ace.

[bear]

Yea, but the 250 engine looked a little "stuffed" into the back of the single frame!

[Masteryota]

There are better 250's out there than the cn/cf platform, IMO. If you can weld and drill(we know you can) then you can DIY a better set up, and save some money at the same time.

[2SlickNick]

So true guys.... When I am finished with this Murray go kart I wod like to do a true FrNkenbuggy. My hope is still still get a warrior engine or a suitable Polaris engine. Then I can cut, drill, and weld away on an off road buggy. Thanks again guys.

[2SlickNick]

http://zanesville.craigslist.org/sno/4388798448.html
Hopefully I can find a deal like this or better when I am ready to do another build.

[bear]

Yea, the guy in Dayton with the Dazon 250 single, just dropped the price from 2000 to 1500!

[2SlickNick]

I just checked those out. I do like the red one though, I bet it is fast and full of torque.

[bear]

Yea that is kinda tempting, but I don't think I'd fit in our "dog house"! lol

[zman007007]

anyone looking for a crossfire better jump on that one you dont see many of them for sale anymore. esp. looking that good. Probably if you carried cash you could talk them down more.

[2SlickNick]

Originally Posted by zman007007

anyone looking for a crossfire better jump on that one you dont see many of them for sale anymore. esp. looking that good. Probably if you carried cash you could talk them down more.

I know..... Can't right now

[bear]

Yea,I'm between projects right now and need to keep my head low!!!

[2SlickNick]

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/sno/4420000530.html
I swear my wife is going to kill me if I try to pick this up.....but score this for $100 or less.....

[disstudem]

Thats Ã* good deal there. If that was here in Michigan i would be on my way to pick it up.

[JERSEYDEVIL]

ceasefire chassis is worth that all day long to me

[TheFauxFox]

I can see an ad up on a billboard for this one..

Already dis-assembled, aiding you in your modding process! But don't delay, 'cause it's RUSTING FAST! Give us a call, 1-800-help-idontwantthis

[2SlickNick]

If I would have been patient. I could have scored this and the yamaha warrior engine. Oh well. When I finish this go kart. I will move on to a buggy.

[bear]

Are you kidding me!!! RUN MAN, RUN!!!! I'll tell ya what, you go get it and I'll send you the $ ASAP for it & your time!!! & come n get when I get the opportunity!

[bear]

P.S. do you have paypal??? lol

[2SlickNick]

It is about 2 hours away (east of me). I work this weekend. i do have pay pal. Too bad.. It is a good especially if you get it under $100

[bear]

No problem Nick, would have been a long-ss drive for me too! However I'm checking on a complete running "cream puff" of a Helix 150, owned by a girl,& stored in a barn for $400! hopefully 2marrow!

[x-bird]

had i the time and money, that'd be mine ... ideal mate for the internal reverse 2x sprocket engine i have in the basement. bore the case, bbk stroker.