BuggyMasters.Com - An On Line Mini Buggy Forum and Go Kart Forum

Go Back   BuggyMasters.Com - An On Line Mini Buggy Forum and Go Kart Forum > Technical Discussions > 250cc and Above Engine Tech

250cc and Above Engine Tech Technical Discussion Forum for 250cc and up Engines

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06-24-2013, 10:06 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default 2006 Joyner 250cc Viper issue with Tranny

Hello all. This buggy is new to me and was not running when I got it. I finally got her running and put in a new clutch. She goes into reverse nor problem and also High gear. Once I lout it into Low, upon acceleration it grinds like it's not lined up or something. Is this just an adjustment? Hopefully.

Is there a downloadable service manual for these?

Thanks in advance!

Leo
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-24-2013, 10:07 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IekTfBENk0
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-24-2013, 10:38 PM
x-bird's Avatar
x-bird x-bird is offline
Power User
 

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Penciltucky
Posts: 2,518
Default

I only know what i've read here and on other forums about those particular joyners. believe there is an adjustment nut or cable adjustment that should solve the problem.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-25-2013, 08:01 AM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by x-bird View Post
I only know what i've read here and on other forums about those particular joyners. believe there is an adjustment nut or cable adjustment that should solve the problem.
Thanks for the reply. I will give that a go. Any service manuals for these Joyners?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-26-2013, 08:19 AM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Took the cover off to verify the cam piece didn't jump gears, couldn't really tell as the cam came off with the cover. Had to wire wheel clean the shaft so it moves freely now. Lined up the dots and put the cover back on using a very small amount of rtv. Changed the oil as it looked like black water. Adjusted the cable at the rear so it hits each gear as it's lined up on the gear selector.

Will give it a go again after work as I wanted the rtv to fully cure. I honestly think it's internal but hoping for an easy fix.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-26-2013, 10:57 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Tranny still making the noise. Looks like the gears will be messed up as well as probably the fork. I also installed the Uni Filter and changed the main jet from 110 to 130, lot's of smoke. Is this normal? I got the Uni Filter, Elbow and 125/130 jets as a kit. Maybe I should try the 125 instead.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-27-2013, 05:48 AM
Masteryota's Avatar
Masteryota Masteryota is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 1,155
Default

White smoke or black smoke?

White/blue will be burning oil, possibly from rings or stem seals.

Black smoke is too much fuel, try the smaller jets.
__________________
ASE Master and Toyota Master Diagnostic Certified
Buggy Building Trainee

'04 Dazon Raider 150 'modded'
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-28-2013, 07:46 AM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

It's too much fuel for sure. I'm going to try the 125 next. I'm a sea level so should my main jet be larger or smaller? The stock one that came out was 110.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-28-2013, 01:49 PM
Miamieddie's Avatar
Miamieddie Miamieddie is offline
Heavy Contributor
 

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: miami. florida
Posts: 610
Default

If all you did was to add a uni you didn't have to go so high on ur jets. maybe a 118 jet may do.
__________________
2. 150cc carters. 1. Baja reaction 150cc dr2 variators Jerseydevil hp. Pipes unifilters gates belts. Yellow main springs hd. Orange coils.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-28-2013, 02:50 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

The jets (125 and 130) came as a kit (Uni, elbow and jets), so i assumed that if you went with a Uni, you had to replace the jet.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-28-2013, 07:19 PM
Masteryota's Avatar
Masteryota Masteryota is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 1,155
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MPDano View Post
The jets (125 and 130) came as a kit (Uni, elbow and jets), so i assumed that if you went with a Uni, you had to replace the jet.
Normally, anytime you replace the stock filter with a hi flow unit, you will need to add some fuel, hence the bigger jets. If you are running a stock exhaust, then try the smaller of the 2 jets, it will help with the black smoke too, then do a plug test and see where you are at. Then you can fine tune the carb.

The kit maker likely assumes you will be running an open exhaust as well, thats why the big fat jets are included, but I agree, 125 might be too much still.
__________________
ASE Master and Toyota Master Diagnostic Certified
Buggy Building Trainee

'04 Dazon Raider 150 'modded'
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-28-2013, 10:19 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Hmm, any way to open up the stock exhaust more?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-29-2013, 05:59 AM
Masteryota's Avatar
Masteryota Masteryota is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 1,155
Default

Hole saw! Aside from that, port matching the pipe is important for flow, but not really necessary unless you are running high hp engine.
__________________
ASE Master and Toyota Master Diagnostic Certified
Buggy Building Trainee

'04 Dazon Raider 150 'modded'
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-01-2013, 10:41 PM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Masteryota View Post
Hole saw! Aside from that, port matching the pipe is important for flow, but not really necessary unless you are running high hp engine.
How about the FMF 1-1/4 Muffler. It's a decent price too.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-02-2013, 05:44 AM
Masteryota's Avatar
Masteryota Masteryota is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 1,155
Default

That works too, the hole saw method is generally low/no cost, and that was why I suggested it.
__________________
ASE Master and Toyota Master Diagnostic Certified
Buggy Building Trainee

'04 Dazon Raider 150 'modded'
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-02-2013, 06:42 AM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

Oh, I thought you were joking. Do you have any pics of this hole saw mod?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-14-2013, 11:05 AM
MPDano MPDano is offline
Lurker
 

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
Default

How do you remove the CV Joints? I need to replace one of the boots. I searched and found nothing.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.