project CARTER EVO

[roysheepdog]

i got started pulling it apart today took a few pic.

[roysheepdog]

ill get pic up

[24evanwilson]

cant wait

[roysheepdog]

lets see

[24evanwilson]

holy crap!!! what happened lol!!!

[roysheepdog]

i plan on building a full roll cageand changing the wheel base from 58" to about 80".
remount all the shocks and last a 2 smoke polaris 350cc.will do the motor last so i can drive it with the 150cc to see how it changed.

[joshstep1]

cool

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

cool

wait until i get gas for the torch.

[joshstep1]

When are you going to get it?

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

When are you going to get it?

in the morning i will get the tubeing at the end of next week.so i will have it ready by then to fit up.after that i can see what shocks i need.

[24evanwilson]

yeah?

[joshstep1]

alright

[24evanwilson]

Originally Posted by 24evanwilson

yeah?

im mean yay!

[BuggyMaster]

When you go to put the other engine on, you will likely need to extend the rear swingarm section to accomodate it and that will give you a bit more wheel base.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

When you go to put the other engine on, you will likely need to extend the rear swingarm section to accomodate it and that will give you a bit more wheel base.

the 350cc looks like it will fit ok ,i may need to do something with the header pipe.dont know what ill do yet the muffler is so long i may cut some of the header out and rebend it.the header goes about 8 or 10"out in frount of the engine so i may need to shorten up some.as for the wheel base by adding to the frount it will put most of the wait of the buggy in the backso it wont nose dive as bad when jumped.but adding linth to the back it will nose dive more.
but like you said i may have to,i hope not.

[BuggyMaster]

For the exhaust, when I go to do this I plan on bringing it out along the side and then it will do a 90 degree at the rear of the swing arm and run paralell to the rear edge of the swingarm. Probably have to extend part of the pipe and have an exhaust shop do the bends so they are right. I figure just take the buggy to the shop so they can get it right.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

For the exhaust, when I go to do this I plan on bringing it out along the side and then it will do a 90 degree at the rear of the swing arm and run paralell to the rear edge of the swingarm. Probably have to extend part of the pipe and have an exhaust shop do the bends so they are right. I figure just take the buggy to the shop so they can get it right.

you know i may do that.i wonder if it would change the power band of the motor by adding or taking away from the pipe becouse of the lacation of the expansion pipe.i can see that the size of the expansion doese this one is long and slinder unlike the ones on a bike (short and fat).bike motors are high rpm's and this one is for torke (4 wd) 5500RPM'S is about all this one doese.
35hp@5500rpms not bad thats more than hondas 400ex

[roysheepdog]

past the point of no return

[roysheepdog]

its new home

[roysheepdog]

off to a good start.think of the front wheels in the front of the buggy like a helix.i still have the back to do and more in the front uhh....more every were.
plese comment!!!!!

[joshstep1]

That's tight! Are you going to keep the same engine on it?

[roysheepdog]

im doing this first and when i get it right then ive got a 2 smoke 350cc to go on back.

[joshstep1]

That is going to be awesome!

[24evanwilson]

o my god O_o


thats going to still be the best!!!

[joshstep1]

A beast? Definately. But not sa much of a beast as that 700 I told you about on eBay.

[24evanwilson]

yeah so Ol
...........Ol

[BuggyMaster]

Nice. What kind of tubing are you going with?

[roysheepdog]

its 1" tubing the wall is the same as on the buggy stock.man i dont know what color to paint it now.i need two colors one for the tubing and one for the body pannels.any ideas?

[joshstep1]

How about an orange and black paint job? I always wanted to do that to the old Manco I had but I never did it because I didn't want the paint to chip off and make it look like crap.

[roysheepdog]

yea my wife said that color to.ive been looking at this site.
http://www.sinistersandsports.com/2-...ombo_chart.jpg

[24evanwilson]

how about a black roll cage and orange toward the front and have it fade into blue!

[roysheepdog]

got to keep it simple im no painter.lol

[24evanwilson]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[BuggyMaster]

Originally Posted by roysheepdog

got to keep it simple im no painter.lol

I'm with you on that

I've tried many a times to do body work and it always came out worse than when I started.

[joshstep1]

Same here! LOL

[bige]

Its not that bad, youy just have to learn how to work the metal.

[24evanwilson]

i spray paint bikes for people lol

[joshstep1]

Originally Posted by 24evanwilson

i spray paint bikes for people lol

Are you any good?

[24evanwilson]

people like em but its just like my friends so yeah lol

[joshstep1]

The hardest thing I have done in the way of painting is... well, I'll post a pic.

[joshstep1]

The pic is up.

[foxracer45]

Originally Posted by 24evanwilson

holy crap!!! what happened lol!!!

so much for that complete love of that all blue carter lol. now its probly even faster!

[24evanwilson]

Originally Posted by foxracer45

so much for that complete love of that all blue carter lol. now its probly even faster!

yeah lol

[24evanwilson]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

The pic is up.

that MINI buggy>?

[joshstep1]

yeah

[24evanwilson]

cool!

[joshstep1]

It was really hard to get the masking tape straight for the stripes.

[24evanwilson]

yeah you could say that again

[joshstep1]

It was really hard to get the masking tape straight for the stripes.

[24evanwilson]

well no derr lol thats the hardest part lol

[24evanwilson]

lol xd

[roysheepdog]

well here is some more pics.

[BuggyMaster]

that's pretty cool looking. When you gonna extend that swing arm and get a big engine on there?

[joshstep1]

Almost has the look of a crawler. Looks awesome!

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

that's pretty cool looking. When you gonna extend that swing arm and get a big engine on there?

i put the 350cc on last i hope i dont have to extend the swing arm it look like i wont have to.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

Almost has the look of a crawler. Looks awesome!

thanks its still hard to tell what its going to look like at this point.ill start on the front next and then you tell more about it.

[BuggyMaster]

Well that would be a heck of a bonus!

Originally Posted by roysheepdog

i put the 350cc on last i hope i dont have to extend the swing arm it look like i wont have to.

[roysheepdog]

yes that would be nice the less work the better!its already taken longer than i thought.its hard to get them angels right

[joshstep1]

Originally Posted by roysheepdog

thanks its still hard to tell what its going to look like at this point.ill start on the front next and then you tell more about it.

When you said it would have the front end kind of like that of a helix, I can picture what it might look like.

[roysheepdog]

ok then

[Krusekontrol]

Just a suggestion,

Although you can fit the 350 on the stock swingarm you will improve the ride if you balance the increase in length at the front of the main frame and a little bit in the rear.

You can do this by cutting out the center bar on the bottom of your swing arm. Cut it in half.

Make your next cut just past the bearing housing plate and insert the 2 new pieces. after you weld it lay some angle iron across the length to spread the load across the base.

Now the bar you cut away will be replaced with the new metal in the proper position for your engine mount. For some engines like the 350 you can mount it sideways to eliminate the exhaust problem. However with the extentions you will have plenty of room and a very smooth ride and reduced bounce in the rear when your hitting jumps.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by Krusekontrol

Just a suggestion,

Although you can fit the 350 on the stock swingarm you will improve the ride if you balance the increase in length at the front of the main frame and a little bit in the rear.

You can do this by cutting out the center bar on the bottom of your swing arm. Cut it in half.

Make your next cut just past the bearing housing plate and insert the 2 new pieces. after you weld it lay some angle iron across the length to spread the load across the base.

Now the bar you cut away will be replaced with the new metal in the proper position for your engine mount. For some engines like the 350 you can mount it sideways to eliminate the exhaust problem. However with the extentions you will have plenty of room and a very smooth ride and reduced bounce in the rear when your hitting jumps.

i havent put much thought into it but wouldent it be the same to just move the axels back on the swing arm?that way it would get longer wheel base for the smother ride and more balance.i may not be geting what you are saying but if i am i think it may be better to move the axel back.the space behind it is a wast any way

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by Krusekontrol

Just a suggestion,

Although you can fit the 350 on the stock swingarm you will improve the ride if you balance the increase in length at the front of the main frame and a little bit in the rear.

You can do this by cutting out the center bar on the bottom of your swing arm. Cut it in half.

Make your next cut just past the bearing housing plate and insert the 2 new pieces. after you weld it lay some angle iron across the length to spread the load across the base.

Now the bar you cut away will be replaced with the new metal in the proper position for your engine mount. For some engines like the 350 you can mount it sideways to eliminate the exhaust problem. However with the extentions you will have plenty of room and a very smooth ride and reduced bounce in the rear when your hitting jumps.

i seen your vid (part 2) nice by the way.it looks like the big reason it rids better is becouse your back shocks are still in stock location.you added more travel by adding lenth to the swing arm were you did and it also makes the shocks seem softer.

[Krusekontrol]

we have 2 shocks on the buggy. The larger is pre loaded. I forget what video part that was shown in.

as for moving the axle back you will only gain a few inchs and you will need to close up the rear and stregthen the base anyway. Plus your going to need a rear bumper or guard since your sprocket will now be exposed to impact. (Bumper - good idea no matter which way you build it)

You can do it both ways but you will need to add metal in several areas and keeping the housing plates in place just makes it easier to cut and measure.

NOTE: The center bar in many of these swing arms is not true center so make sure you check them out before you start cutting. If you leave the center bar and move the plates back make sure you beef up the center bar to handle the impact of the bigger motor. Remember the center bar was installed to hold the swing arm square no for engine support. So check the welds good.

[roysheepdog]

thanks for the help.i was thinking on putting the 350 on with the bottom of the quad frame.its an auto with hi and low and all that is mounted just right in the frame so i would weld that to the swing arm.i know it will be a littel high but if anyone can think of why it wouldent work well plese let me know.ill take all the help i can get.right now all i can think about it geting the frount suspension right its next.

[Krusekontrol]

Do you have any pics of the 350?

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by Krusekontrol

Do you have any pics of the 350?

no its dirty and looks nasty so i was going to wait until i cleen it up.if someone wants to see it i could get some pic.

[joshstep1]

I want to see it! LOL

[24evanwilson]

me too

[joshstep1]

Well, we have got two votes for yes.

[roysheepdog]

ok lol ill try to get some up sat.when i started i dident think there was so much to learn about setting up all the front end stuff.ive found some good links that have helped a lot.

this is fun to play with
http://www.racingaspirations.com/?p=286

this has been a lot of help geting to understand what this stuff is
http://www.rctek.com/technical/handling/index.php

[BuggyMaster]

we like dirty and nasty

[roysheepdog]

well dirty and nasty it is.lol

[roysheepdog]

heres my little 350cc polaris its off of a trail boss 4x4,34 hp stock.

[roysheepdog]

this is a big cvt

[roysheepdog]

this quad was given to me for free!it was locked you could not pull the rope so i put a rinch on the crank and it turned easy.so i pulled the rope again and it worked?so i tryed to start it and it ran!the guy that gave it to me dident like that but i had cut it in half so its no good for him any way.i guess the starter was locked up in there some how.
i did some trading and got some 9"travel air shocks. i can adjust the ride height
by letting air in or out and make the ride hard or soft in short it should make it easy to get it right.

[joshstep1]

This thing is going to be effing awesome! You say 34hp like it's not much. That's a lot!

[24evanwilson]

here comes the killer

[roysheepdog]

right now im more pumped about the suspension than the 350.it doese no good to have a buggy that can do 60+ if you cant drive it that fast becouse your bounceing every were.when the carter was new(its an 08)the shocks were so stiff when it was just me it was so bounce that i could not go over 25-28mph on the 4 weeler trail going down the side of the hiway.with two in the buggy it was not to bad but it was a hand full over 30mph.after about a year the shock springs got softer and then with two people i could drive with one hand at 35mph and with just me i could run wide open.still bounced way to much you know even at 30mph it will wake you up when the back end bounce up about 12"and lands way over to the side.so LONG TRAVEL EVO it is!

[BuggyMaster]

Seems like your shocks were broke or something. They should have had some rebound control to keep you from bouncing.

That thing is going to be cool. Can't wait to see what all is involved on putting that engine on there. Polaris seems to be to be one of the better bets in doing so because of the right hand chain drive.

[roysheepdog]

for the motor im thing of mounting it to the frame behind the seat not on the swing arm and put a jack shaft at the pivot point of the swing arm.so the swing arm will be lighter and can move faster.that will help the ride a lot becouse the motor weght is unsprung or no shocks and that makes bounce.i think that will be a nice set up whith out going to full irs.

[BuggyMaster]

The weight of that motor will provide some absorption capabilities. I think without it, it would be more bouncy.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

Seems like your shocks were broke or something. They should have had some rebound control to keep you from bouncing.

That thing is going to be cool. Can't wait to see what all is involved on putting that engine on there. Polaris seems to be to be one of the better bets in doing so because of the right hand chain drive.

this is not smooth ground on the side of the hiway,and as the shocks got softer it got better.it only has oil shocks in back and if thay were broke it would have been worse.keep in mine i cant ride my 4 weeler 20-25mph on this trail to bumpy and to many dips.so its better than that but not what i want,i need to kill this raptor that runs around here.just becouse you can go fast on the street dont mean you can do it in the dirt.lol

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

The weight of that motor will provide some absorption capabilities. I think without it, it would be more bouncy.

well the tires holding the weihgt on impact will bounce harder just like throwing a ball on the ground.hit it hard and it will bounce high.with the swing arm light it will move out of the way of the bump faster and get to the ground faster.

[Krusekontrol]

BuggyMaster is right. The added weight does soften the ride and with the added length to the buggy will ride very smooth.

As for the front end you already have the perfect setup with the position of the new upper frame. I would suggest selecting the longest travel shock you can afford and design your control arms to match them.

[roysheepdog]

9 3/4"travel monroe shocks.

[joshstep1]

Holy mother fudger! Those look like nice shocks!

[roysheepdog]

not to bad the other two are black but the same kind.thats ok becouse it was no out of pocket money and ill paint them any way.
still dont know what color i want,the frame and wheels will be black and the body panels will be navy blue or yellow.?

[joshstep1]

are you asking for an opinion?

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

are you asking for an opinion?

yes! i want all the help i can get.

[BuggyMaster]

Don't forget that those are just shocks. They are not going to support the buggy.

[joshstep1]

Out of navy blue or yellow, I would say yellow. If I was doing it, I would have black rims, suspension arms, and trim; and an orange frame. Huh? Ya dig?

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

Don't forget that those are just shocks. They are not going to support the buggy.

no these are air shocks thay will hold the buggy.some one else used these and made a reservoir for his and he said he could not even feel the bumps and thay worked good.the reservoir made it more kushey with more travel.

[BuggyMaster]

Didn't realize that. Seems to me it might suck pretty bad if you blew a line out in the field somewhere. Kinda neat though that you can adjust your ride height.

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by joshstep1

Out of navy blue or yellow, I would say yellow. If I was doing it, I would have black rims, suspension arms, and trim; and an orange frame. Huh? Ya dig?

cool
bright or dark yellow?

[24evanwilson]

.................................................. .uhhhhhhh

[roysheepdog]

Originally Posted by BuggyMaster

Didn't realize that. Seems to me it might suck pretty bad if you blew a line out in the field somewhere. Kinda neat though that you can adjust your ride height.

lol yes that would suck to limp home like a low rider but it would still be ok becouse at full droop it will sit about 3" off the ground.im thinking if i keep the lines zip tied to the tubes hopefully all will be well for snaging the line.i dont think the line will come off by it self i had some on a truck and never had any trouble.
cant wait to see how everything works!

[joshstep1]

Originally Posted by roysheepdog

cool
bright or dark yellow?

bright yellow!

[24evanwilson]

coolio

[roysheepdog]

got some more done today.the nose is a little out of square i will fix it latter.